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This post inspired by today's Something Positive

I was nearing my mid 20s amd stationed at Ft Riley, Kansas when Cobain did the best move to advance his career he possibly could and gave a blowjob to the big black cock of death. My first thoughts were, "Well if at first you don't succeed ..." My second was, "Why didn't you take that harpy-voiced Nancy Spungen clone with you?"

Soon after KC redecorated the wall with blood and sweetbreads there was a parody of "You're so vain" running on the morning radio show of some Kansas station ... I really wish I could find a copy of it ...

the chorus was "Now there's brains in your cornflakes, brains in your cornflakes"

Anyone remember that parody?
Date: 2004-03-08 01:49 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ogremarco.livejournal.com
I met him once or twice. He was kind of a dumbass, but he was actually pretty decent too. Real humble.

Courtney Love however can eat a dick.

Ever heard Primus' On the Coat Tails of a Dead Man?
Date: 2004-03-08 02:26 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com

Decent and humble yes ... but in the end, a coward.

No I can't say as I have heard that song.
Date: 2004-03-08 02:50 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ogremarco.livejournal.com
Suicide is retarded no doubt.

It's a great song. It's on Anti-Pop.
Date: 2004-03-08 02:02 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] greycat.livejournal.com
I happened to like him quite a bit. The music was ok, but he was a decent guy in interviews from what i could see.

I agree about how Love should have been shot first. I hate that woman. I think they took their kid away which was a LONG time coming.

Wow...it's like the 10th year anniversary coming up, right?
Date: 2004-03-08 02:15 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com

It's one of my personal quirks. If someone shows themself to be enough of a coward to end his own live then I lose most if not all respect for him.

Take the coward's way out and I will piss on your grave.
Date: 2004-03-08 03:46 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] greycat.livejournal.com
Well, that's a really shitty attitude. I don't think that taking your life is an act of cowardace...have you ever been depressed? Do you know what it feels like to not want to live? To live with a constant pain that NEVER goes away and is so dibilitating that you can't function?

That's so amazingly cold hearted. Until you have felt what it's like to feel like you are going insane from the pain, that you are a waste of life, that you mean absolutely nothing and you feel like a burden to everyone you encounter, you can not say killing yourself is an act of cowardace.
Date: 2004-03-08 04:39 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com
To live with a constant pain that NEVER goes away and is so dibilitating that you can't function?

the problem is that suicide only shifts the burden of this pain from the depression sufferer to the survivors.

i think that's why some call it cowardly.

and yes, i've been in severe suicidal depressions. they are utter hell. at the time, all you can think of is ending the pain.

i don't think it's the best answer, and i'm glad i've managed not to do it. i also don't judge those who have.

but i think i can understand some of the survivors' anger, grief, and pain, too...
Date: 2004-03-08 04:49 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] greycat.livejournal.com
"i don't think it's the best answer, and i'm glad i've managed not to do it. i also don't judge those who have."

That is my POV as well.

I understand that it is horrible for the survivors, but then you also have to think that if they even understood remotely what this person was feeling and going through, they may not feel so much unhappiness at the pain of the person's death.
Date: 2004-03-08 05:42 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com

Having had a number of people I've been close to take the coward's path (- and far more who I couldn't give a damn about but who affected those I care about -), I feel little but disgust for those who take that route. They think nothing of what they leave behind. It's the ultimate act of selfishness.

Life is pain. That's the long and short of it. Those who can't deal with it and decide to end it do not deserve my sympathy or remorse. I save that for those who they have hurt by doing what they did.

However, like almost everything in this world, there are mitigating circumstances. I don't believe in black and whites. Cobain did not fall into those circumstances. He had the money and resources to get the help he needed.
Date: 2004-03-08 06:13 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] greycat.livejournal.com
"It's the ultimate act of selfishness."

Don't you think it's selfish to want to keep people around you who do not want to be alive? You are selfish too if you can not forgive or at least try to understand why someone chose a different path than you. That maybe it was better for them to die than to suffer. I'd rather someone kill themselves to end years and years of suffering, instead of trudging on in misery for the rest of their lives because some asshole said they would be selfish to end it.

I'll remember your lack of sympathy for those who are ill in this manner next time you ask for sympathy with situations that you should have more control over. I care about you very much as a friend, but your lack of compassion or empathy is disturbing, and you do not deserve my sympathy or empathy.
Date: 2004-03-08 06:38 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com

That's just something we both will disagree over.

When you leave a mutilated corpse where your daughter may be the first to see it then yes, that's the ultimate selfish act. Yes, your pain is over. But you've caused those that care most about you a lifetime of pain, suffering and misery.
Date: 2004-03-08 07:30 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com
i've been on both sides of this, to some extent.

been too close to ending it all. had people i knew and cared about actually do it.

you're right when you say life is pain. there are no easy answers, and we have to get by the best we can. some do better than others, and i have no idea why, or even if there is a "why."

this is just a bunch of platitudes, but it's still how i feel.

Date: 2004-03-08 06:03 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com

Try waking up every morning and wondering if the doctor's didn't do a great disservice by reviving you.

Try realizing that maybe you were supposed to die that day almost 14 years ago because you really have not accomplished anything since then.

There was a space of years that the only reason I did not end it was because I refused to be responsible for whatever pain my ending would cause those around me. (- Actually I'm quoted as "I won't let the fuckers win." -)

I can keep going on ... I don't think I have to.
Date: 2004-03-08 06:06 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] greycat.livejournal.com
See, my problem is more or less not "I haven't done anything with my life since then" but more of a "I'm a big drain on everyone, so, they would be better off without me anyway"

Honestly, I am amazed that I have been able to keep myself alive for this long. It's been getting harder and harder lately to think that I should try any longer.
Date: 2004-03-09 07:00 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] baronesskimchi.livejournal.com
For me, it depends on why you want to end your life.
If you have a terminal illness...like a few of my friends who have passed on...I think it is your right to end your life the way you want to. Not die in a sterile hospital away from all that you love. You can pass on gently and swiftly with all that you care about surrounding you. I would support a loved one who wanted to die their own way and not let the disease win. I rather go out by my own hands than waste away to disease. Jak, A warrior never submits to disease...and I fancy myself a warrior.

As far as mental illness, no , that's not a good enough reason to end your life as far as I'm concerned. I love life. I will live forever, dammit, if I can find a way. Depression comes and goes...it may stay a long time but it most cases it can be alleviated. I have many friends who have varying degrees of mental illness, from depression to schizophrenia. Seek help. There are so many resources in this day and age. I do agree that, in the case of mental illness, suicide is the ultimate selfish act. But remember, some may be too ill to get help, so I don't necessarily think it's selfish on their part.

I'm glad that you decided to go on Jak. The world is better for having you in it. I know I don't know you well but the small glimpses of your mind that I have seen here lead me to believe that you are a man who is intelligent, a man with strong convictions and a man of compassion...with a hard crunchy shell! Teehee...
Date: 2004-03-09 09:39 am (UTC)

this is why i write the SHALLOW end

From: [identity profile] flameswithin.livejournal.com
what has more brains than kurt cobain?


the wall behind him.

-P.
Date: 2004-03-10 04:07 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] kgola.livejournal.com
The song's by Pickard and Bowden and it's called Kurt Cobain (so far as I can tell). I've got it on my harddrive... If you want, when I get back to school, I can direct connect it back to you (sadly, my computer is not here with me).

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